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Um.... if he hunts, kills & eats elk, he's not vegan. He needs to stop telling people he's vegan & just let people know he doesn't eat commercially produced animal products.
Beautiful photograph, and no, i would not shoot anything that magnificent. I'm not passing judgment as a confessed omnivore, but I couldn't fell such an amazing creature. Seriously reconsidering my omnivorous status.
Seriously, Mrs. Rapp? In reading your article, I'm not sure if the problem is that you don't understand what a vegan is, or if your article is just poorly constructed. It reads to me that your husband eats very little meat, not "no meat." I will agree that it is a common misunderstanding even within the vegetarian community that "not eating beef" is the same thing as "not eating meat," and in fact some people even call themselves vegetarians who consume eggs, milk, cheese and even seafood or poultry. (I will clear this up right now: eggs, milk, cheese, seafood and poultry are NOT vegetation.) I do think that if you kill it, you should eat it. I also think if individuals had to kill animals for their own food, more people would be vegetarians. It's not my place to tell you to hunt or not, or to eat meat or not. But please don't throw around the word "vegan" like it's the latest buzz word that has no real meaning. If your husband eats very little meat, he is still a meat eater, whether he shot it himself or bought it at the store. Shooting an animal doesn't make it not an animal. If it's a dead animal, it's meat...end of story. A vegan does not, would not, and could not kill an animal for food. A vegan is a true vegetarian. Your husband is simply a "less meat-eating guy."
All of you are wrong about the correct definition of “vegan.” I checked the dictionary, and it turns out that “vegan” comes from an old Indian word that means “poor hunter.” Seriously, most of you sound like enraged copy editors, greatly upset that I may have misused the term “vegan.” Is that really your concern? Or are you actually fired up about the ethics of eating meat, hunting, and our choices about food? Let’s set aside the terminology debate and simply call my husband a “dude on a diet,” as Anonymous#4 suggested. Let’s also drop the question, how low would I go for money--OnEarth doesn’t pay Community bloggers; it only gives them the opportunity to reach OnEarth readers. I think readers’ passion really is: what do you eat for dinner, and do you feel good about it? Michael Pollan wrote a book, The Omnivore’s Dilemma, that addresses this question eloquently. Writers such as Wendell Berry, Terry Tempest Williams, and Ted Kerasote, among others, have written about hunting, eating, and the ethical choices involved. Ted Kerasote’s book Bloodties: Nature, Culture, and the Hunt is an in-depth examination of hunting in several cultures. My blog post is about personal integrity and your stomach. Accountability starts with awareness and learning, so that you understand the consequences involved with different choices. Evidently I succeeded in making the meat-eating choice starkly clear for people, by describing wild elk and including a beautiful photo of a bull elk. I’m delighted that my post caused a number of people to think hard about what they eat and why.
Ms. Rapp, I happen to be a sea vegan. I only eat sea matter. This includes: sea plants, sea beans, sea grains and sometimes sea cheese.
Sounds like you regard the term,"vegan," as a status symbol? A term you've come to identify with and enjoy throwing in peoples' faces. grow up.
Your hubby is not "A Vegan", rather he is just another dude on a "diet" for his own heath's sake (and supposedly out of concern for his carbon footprint - though others often use this same line as a excuse when feeling guilty). Of course his feedlot, carbon footprint, methane, and hunting vs factory farm reason's are all at least somewhat valid and it is great that he is thinking about these things and what he can do to minimize his impact. However I didn't read anything about actually caring about the poor animals on the feedlot - "it stinks", "it's looks repulsive", "it's bad for our planet" - what about the poor animals themselves? Seeing there plight ( http://www.meat.org/ ) should bring out enough compassion and disgust to make most any normal person go Vegan on the spot. Also, the old "hunting is better then factory farming" argument is somewhat true and I will give you that in most cases hunting is often better for the poor animal victim - but on the flipside, while it may be better for the animal what does it say about the person? To me, it says - cold blooded murderer. If you can do your own killing & carving then you are perhaps worse then the masses of willfully ignorant people who don't know, or want to know, where there food comes from. At least they have others do the dirty work and never see / empathize with the animal. How you can see a vibrant living creature, roaming free, wanting to live, having a family and or perhaps raising it young, peacefully eating or just going about their life - and then, BAM! You snuff it out (rarely does the death just happen slowly or painlessly - at least on large animals like a elk). OK, I've said enough and tend to get carried away. Sorry about that. I do give you credit for trying to lesson your impact on our environment and hope you will open your eyes a bit wider to show compassion for all animals. Maybe some day you really will be "Vegan". P.S. Sadly, the majority of wine and Gardenburgers are "not" Vegan either. :-( P.S.S. I am Vegan now but before was just a regular meat eating male until my mid-30's, didn't really even know what a Vegan was before that.
I find it hard to understand that an OnEarth reader argues for the moral superiority of “willfully ignorant people” who “have others do the dirty work.” Hunting isn't easy. But for those of us who eat meat, hunting keeps us honest.
A person who eats very little meat is not a vegan, they are not even a vegetarian. As another commenter pointed out, they are simply a dude on a diet. I know its trendy to be a vegan now, and I commend your husband for eating less meat - but seriously, how desperate were you to sell this story that you would resort to misleading your reader? By the way, the elk doesn't "sacrifice" itself for your food, it is slaughtered. As an author, you might consider using language in a more honest way.
"going vegan for mere environmental reasons is rather like opposing the Holocaust because the trains to Auschwitz had a large carbon footprint" -bob torres
That's a gr8 comment! Will use it in future.
That doesn't make sense. I am not a vegan or vegetarian but meat consumption (today) is very much related to resource utilization whereas genocide does not involve the direct utilization of natural resources. I suppose your definitions of "environmental" might be limited. Factory farming and long line fishing, among others, pose many environmental (including health, biodiversity, species endangerment, resource depletion) threats.
Ummm... Interesting use of the word "sacrifice" --- To "thank" the animal for his "sacrifice"... What a way to slant the view to your favor! But of course it's a fantasy. The "wild" and "natural" elk might be one too. If you google "deer and elk farms" you might see that there are over 1500 of them in the US. Many operate just like a dairy... Separating the babies from the mothers... Bottle feeding "milk replacements"... Artificially inseminating, tagging and also pumping them full of hormones and antibiotics - Then... releasing them for hunter's "enjoyment". The American Deer Farming Association might be a great place to start learning where most "game" animals are bred. And in answer to your question of could I shoot? Sure I could --- If I were starving I could shoot my neighbor's cat... Or child... (maybe) --- But the point is we are far, far from "starving". In fact, we are dying way too young as a matter of "excess" not "need". Time to let the animals be... They have long ago fulfilled whatever "purpose" that was once justifiable.
Oregon, where we live, doesn’t have any game farms. In states where game farms are legal, animals are raised and released on a large, fenced property for hunters who pay big sums of money to hunt in the enclosed area. Game-farm animals are not released into the wild (though some have escaped at times, which is why some western states have populations of feral European boars). So no, we were not hunting farm-raised elk.
Comments such as yours, in my view, ignor, omit, or deny the natural order of living matter on this planet. Vegan or Carnivor or Omnivor everything living is feeding on something. It dies, decays, and gives nutrients to other living things. You can decide if it gives more meaning to your life that it is cruel to consume anything, plants respond to damage and similarly do animals. Non-the-less you are killing something to survive. In nature, if you are lucky you die quickly. However, more often than not death comes slowly, and painfully. We as humans have choices on how to live. If you want to compare by carbon footprint, lets do a study and see what is most efficient. But if you think being vegan is somehow sparing the feelings of a living entity, you are in a fantasyland. All we can do is the best we can in this life to tread as lightly as we can and leave as much fertility as possible so the ones following have a chance to live fully in the time they have before they are consumed.
I would shoot that Elk right through the heart. LC
It makes perfect sense to me that a man like Gene Skrine would be a vegan, grow an organic garden and also hunt and eat elk. Like Gene, I live in the forest and feel deeply connected to my environment. I gather wild mushrooms and berries, harvest quail, grow a garden, and eat elk and deer from our community. In essence I try to eat what is available in my environment, using sustainble harvest practices. The vital food and environmental issues for our planet will not be solved by everyone becoming a vegan, and certainly hassling over the definition of vegan will not help. I believe Gene is doing what we all should do...eating what is available and natural in our communities rather than supporting the food growing and distribution practices so detrimental to our environment and people such as long distance tranport of foods, use of toxic chemicals and elaborate distribution hierarchies. I honor Gene and his choices about food.
I agree 100% LC